Several informal meetings have taken place between Custom Frame Builders across the UK with a view to establishing an Association. At present there is no formal organisation established but an intention exists to make it such, primarily as a talking shop for exchange of information. Additionally it has been proposed to offer a EN/ISO test of frame integrity in conjunction with Reynolds. It has been mooted it may cost around £300 for 631 tube set and test and the frame can be lugged or fillet brazed or maybe Tig welded. Regarding entry to the Association, the only clear cut criteria which has been agreed by all the participants is Public Liability Insurance. The long term structure and function of such an organisation I am sure will evolve over the years but I would like to think there may be a place for Amateur and semi-Professional builders within it. The current forum is being co-ordinated by Phil Taylor, organiser of Bespoke Bristol but he is keen not to take responsibility for fully organising an association as he obviously has enough on his plate with the show. As a preliminary move I decided I would have to investigate Liability insurance as even though I have never sold a frame for profit it would be nice to have the cover and indeed even making frames for friends and family it is a sad fact of life that one would be wise to have some indemnity against frame failure leading to accidents etc.